Early on I was very interested in engaging with that outside audience.

I felt this compulsion to be like, no, no, no, no, no.

Like, here, let me show you.

There's a real effort to sanitize because it was of a fear of offending people.

I was focused there, and then over time I just

realized I was more like focused on being like, isn't this a beautiful world? Yeah. We inhabit.

How do you decide what other people get to see about your life?

Hey, what's up? This is John Deloney, and this is a special episode of Off the Record.

This is kind of a new episode that we're dropping once every few weeks on Saturday mornings.

These are interviews. These are conversations I'm having with some of my friends, people I admire, and in today's case, a hero of mine.

When I put together a list of, I would love to get these particular men and women on this show,

this guest today was at the very top of the list. I'm talking about the great and awesome Steve Ronella. Steve Rinella is the founder

of Meat Eater, which is a hunting and cooking show, but he's also an amazing writer. He's written

a number of bestselling books. He's a historian. He's just a mastermind. And the show has very little to do with hunting today.

We're both big hunters, but it has very little to do with that. We're talking about marriage.

We're talking about kids. We're talking about balancing the chaos. It's our life. We talk about

what scares us to death, about the future for our kids and what we're excited about for our kids. And we also talk about how do you manage things that you're really passionate about

in a marriage when your spouse is not passionate about those things. This is one of my favorite

conversations. Off camera and on, Steve is an amazing guy, just a great, kind human being and a wealth of knowledge.

Buckle up, put your headphones in, turned up a little bit, and enjoy my conversation with the great and wonderful Steve Ronella.

The most important thing we have to talk about is this.

So you were on my friend Sean Ryan show.

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