That song kind of blew up and people started using it at weddings and publishers came and said,

you know, that's a big song. You should write a book about your wonderful marriage.

Have you been fired by a counselor yet? Because we've been fired.

Because we know we're not, we're not out of the woods until we walk into heaven I mean we're not

we're not right yeah yeah yeah yeah we had some really tough almost call it moments there were

days where it's like I'm I'm not working on this today you can you can do that what up welcome to What up? Welcome to another special episode of Off the Record with John.

I'm John Deloney, host of the Dr. John Deloney's show.

And I've started incorporating more conversations with people that I love, people I'm interested in, people who inspire me.

And you all continue

to say, hey, have more of these conversations. So we're having more conversations. And we've

started this little, named it something different, called off the record, and it's been a blast.

This time I'm sitting down with the great and powerful Stephen Curtis Chapman and his wife,

Mary Beth Chapman. Now, if you don't know who that is, in the contemporary Christian music world,

this is like Garth Brooks of that planet, right? I grew up a punk rock kid and a metal kid,

but I did go to Sunday school. And even peripherally,

I knew who Stephen Curtis Chapman was because he was the legend. He was the ultimate, right?

He's won about 8 billion awards of all kinds for his music, his songwriting, and he's been married for decades to Mary Beth Chapman.

Now, here's where this conversation is important. They have a brand new book out called Still Here.

And it's a discussion on the challenges they've experienced being married and how they've stuck it out and hung in there

despite the loss of a child, despite all sorts of challenges professionally, personally.

And so we dig into that in this conversation.

How does somebody of his caliber, of her caliber, decide we're going to stick it out and stay married

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