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reminder you can jump into our patreon community uh we're putting some interesting things up there some

files some photos some various things that there, some files, some photos,

some various things that we're not able to fit into the podcast that you can find about some

of the cases we've covered. So you can go to join our Patreon community. It starts at a free

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We are on TikTok and on Instagram, both of those at deviant.

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So there are some things from the show, a couple of other, you know, Dan and I check in now and

then.

So join us on our socials as well well because you'll find some more cool information and

stuff there. As far as today's show is concerned, it's a great conversation with a man by the

name of Steve Gunderson, who is a long time, now retired, but a long time ATF agent. And if you

enjoyed our conversation a few weeks back with Jay Dobbins,

you'll probably enjoy this one.

Steve Gunderson spent his career infiltrating the Aryan Brotherhood

white supremacist movement.

And he has a lot of interesting stories about he got really close to these guys and he understands

how that movement works. So we talked a lot about that. It's really an interesting jump into

that world, which we've done a lot of here on our off script series. So Steve Gunderson,

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