Welcome to a bonus edition of Offair with Jane and Feet on a Friday.

Coming your way is Pastor Doug Wilson, just to say, I think steady yourself against something

firm while you listen to the views of the alt-right Christian

nationalist. See what I mean? The intersection of politics and faith has always been a tricky one to

navigate. In the UK church and state are meant to be two pillars standing firm but apart,

but perhaps it's naive to think that politicians' beliefs don't shape

our political reality. In America, the link between right-wing politics and ultra-nationalist

Christian beliefs is in full swing, and one church growing its congregation in Washington is the

communion of reformed evangelical churches. The founder is Pastor Doug Wilson. He is a self-described

Christian nationalist and his influence on the American right wing is growing. From Idaho, he's built

a sprawling church and education network preaching a vision of society shaped by biblical law rather

than secular democracy. Supporters see him as a defender of society shaped by biblical law rather than secular democracy.

Supporters see him as a defender of traditional Christian values.

Critics say his views on women, sexuality and religion are deeply authoritarian.

In February, one of his followers, Donald Trump's secretary of war, Pete Hegeseth,

invited him to lead prayers at the Pentagon.

Well, I've been speaking to Doug about the church he's built and the America he believes

should replace the current one. As you can imagine, we cover lots of prickly issues in this discussion.

I wonder whether you can start Pastor Doug Wilson by just explaining to our UK audience

a little bit more about the communion of reformed evangelical churches.

How would you describe the message that you send out to your congregation?

The CREC, the communion of reformed Evangelical Churches, has about 150 churches, mostly in North America,

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