How long have you lived in Israel?

It's been there for about 10 years.

10 years.

So we were just talking off camera and I'm, first of all, thank you for doing this.

Pleasure. Thanks for having me.

It's impossible to really understand anything from the United States because the filters and the propaganda are just so restrictive.

But it seems obvious that October 7th is the beginning of a global reshuffling, certainly of the Middle East.

We haven't spent enough time thinking through what that was.

What was that?

I think to properly understand October the 7th, you have to put together kind of a timeline.

I think what's been lacking here, you know, I talk to a lot of Palestinians and they tell

me a lot about how they portray the war as something that sort of began after October the 7th

which is another problem we can get to at some point the Israelis chalk it up to you know the act of a rabid anti-semi I have no doubt that he was he was quite possibly an anti-semit he's speaking of yeah he has sinwar, the leader of Hamas, who's now dead.

Yep.

But it doesn't mean that there wasn't a logic.

It doesn't mean that this happened when it happened and how it happened for a...

So just to be clear about what you're saying. So from the Palestinian perspective, everything

we're seeing now is a result of the events after October 7th and from the Israeli perspective, October 7th happened just because they're hated unreasonably.

Well, I guess what I often find is when I speak to Palestinians, and they're not wrong to say that the backdrop of all this is that there has been an occupation for a very long time.

We've been occupied since 48, which I understand.

But it still doesn't explain the specifics of October the 7th.

It explains why at some point something like that could or quite possibly should have happened.

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