OA82: Trinity Lutheran, Trump's Executive Order & More (w/guest Andrew Seidel)

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🗓️ 30 June 2017

⏱️ 67 minutes

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For today's show, we break down the Supreme Court's recent decision in Trinity Lutheran v. Comer with guest lawyer Andrew Seidel from the Freedom From Religion Foundation. We begin, however, with a parenting question from Garrett Thomas Fox in our Super-Secret Patron-Only Q&A thread that didn't get answered on our patron-only special. In our main segment, Andrew Seidel helps explain what went wrong in the Trinity Lutheran case that Andrew confidently predicted would go 6-3 the other way. After that, we tackle the Supreme Court's recent decision staying the judgment in the 4th and 9th Circuits, which in turn had enjoined the enforcement of Executive Order 13780. What does all of this mean? Listen and find out! Finally, we end with a brand new Thomas Takes the Bar Exam question #30 about cross-examination, in which our guest Andrew Seidel plays along! Remember that TTTBE issues a new question every Friday, followed by the answer on next Tuesday's show. Don't forget to play along by following our Twitter feed (@Openargs) and/or our Facebook Page and quoting the Tweet or Facebook Post that announces this episode along with your guess and reason(s)! Recent Appearances Andrew was a guest on Episode 14 of Habeas Humor, cracking lawyer-themed "yo mama" jokes. Check it out! Show Notes & Links

Here is a link to the Trinity Lutheran v. Comer decision.
We first discussed Trinity Lutheran during our three-part "You Be The Supreme Court" series; part 1 (Episode 14) is available here, part 2 is available here, and part 3 is available here.
This is the letter that the Missouri Attorney General sent indicating that, post-election, Missouri would change its policy.
Here is a link to the Supreme Court's decision allowing most of EO 13780 to go into effect.
Finally, please check out Andrew Seidel's great work at the Freedom From Religion Foundation.

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0:00.0	I refuse to testify on the grounds that my organs will be chopped up into a patty.
0:07.0	Ah, the 67th Amendment.
0:20.0	I move for a bad court thingy.
0:22.0	You mean a mistrone?
0:24.0	Yeah, that's why you're the judge and I'm the law-talking guy.
0:31.0	Can you see Captain Blackhunter anywhere in this court-murdered church?
0:37.0	No more person, sir.
0:46.0	I have an audience. I will be held to contempt of this court.
0:49.0	I have nothing but contempt for this court.
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1:13.0	Hello and welcome to Opening Arguments.
1:19.0	This is episode number 82 and I'm your host, Thomas Smith.
1:23.0	That over there is your main, more important way better host, Andrew Torres.
1:26.0	How are you doing, Andrew?
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1:30.0	How are you, Thomas?
1:31.0	Doing great.
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