But to talk about Donald Trump all the time, as though he's a threat to democracy,

when your party is trying to lock him up, trying to bankrupt him, and trying to keep

him off the ballots.

How is that democracy?

How is it saving democracy so that you're taking the opposition's candidate off the ballot?

How is that saving democracy?

I mean, it is breathtaking how far they will go, which shows you their desperation.

Welcome to the Michelle Tofoya podcast.

Well, I hope you heard part one of our interview with Michael Goodwin of the New York Post.

He is such a remarkable writer.

He is so experienced in journalism. It's just been a tremendous pleasure

to get to know him. And we hope to have him back on the podcast again and again and again.

In the meantime, this is part two. And we're going to get into a lot of these stuff about the

upcoming election. Trump, Biden, what's going on? Who does he think the vice presidential

candidate may be for Trump? We know who it'll be for Biden unless something dramatic happens.

And you know what? These days, you might as well expect the dramatic. Expect the unexpected

because we see it every single day.

It's been fascinating lately to watch these two candidates work, if you can call it work.

On the one hand, you're seeing Trump juggle court hearings with campaigning.

On the other hand, you're seeing Joe Biden juggle some of his struggles with travels with very little campaigning

and much of the campaigning is doing is behind closed doors which should tell you something

oftentimes no media allowed it's it's very interesting i'm sorry i'm going to just wear it on my sleeve.

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