And I think that's what 2020 and 2016 taught us more than anything, is the role of the intelligence agencies and law enforcement in politics.

It started out spying on Donald Trump in 2016, and it ends up censoring the New York Post and other people in 2020.

We don't know what they're doing now, but it's hard to believe they just gave it all up.

Welcome to the Michelle Tofoya podcast.

Well, he is Michael Goodwin, and he is a columnist from the New York Post, a beloved columnist

from the New York Post, with a really rich and interesting background in journalism, which

we will get into.

He went to Columbia, by the way, and taught at

Columbia and has some really interesting words to say about his alma mater. We'll get to that.

We'll get to the Trump trial in New York. We'll get to the Hunter Biden laptop. We've got

so much to get to that we had to split this episode into two pieces because we want you to be able

to enjoy them in little nuggets. So this is going to be part one of our talk with Michael Goodwin.

And honestly, this is one of the most enjoyable conversations I've had in a long time. This man is

really experienced. He's got a breadth of knowledge of the topics and experiences that I certainly don't have that I hope you're going to enjoy.

Before we get to Michael Goodwin, I'm going to just spend a minute or so here on Caitlin Clark.

Because this story just exploded. She did not make the Olympic team,

the women's Olympic basketball team. Now, most of you know who Caitlin Clark is. And why is that?

It's because she's a household name. And why is that? It's because she's a basketball phenom,

a generational talent who's changed women's basketball.

That is not to discount any of the previous women's basketball stars, like Cheryl Miller,

like Annie Myers, later Anne Myers-Drysdale, like Cheryl Swops, like Rebecca Lobo,

like Lisa Leslie, like Sue Bird, like Diana Tarasi,

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