Nuremberg, Fascism, and Psychiatry
Psychology In Seattle Podcast
Kirk Honda
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🗓️ 11 February 2026
⏱️ 43 minutes
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00:00 Introducing Jack El-Hai, "The Nazi and the Psychiatrist", & "Nuremberg"
07:21 What was the relationship between Göring and Kelley?
20:24 What did Jack think about the film casting?
22:07 The deaths of Göring and Kelley
26:45 Should more people read the book today?
33:46 Why did Kelley spiral?
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, deserving listeners. We have a special guest with us today, Jack L. High, who wrote a book |
| 0:06.0 | about the Nuremberg trials. And if you're not familiar with that, we'll get into it. And if you |
| 0:10.9 | are, then you know that it is about perhaps the true end of World War II and of fascist Nazis. |
| 0:21.5 | And there are some obvious reasons as to why we might be interested in the rise and fall of |
| 0:27.4 | fascism today. |
| 0:29.1 | So when Jack Elhigh, the author of this book, his agent reached out to me to have him on the |
| 0:36.7 | podcast, I jumped at the chance. |
| 0:39.1 | There's also a new movie that came out called Nuremberg, starring Russell Crow, |
| 0:45.0 | and the other fellow's name who was in the Queen. |
| 0:48.4 | Rami Malick. |
| 0:49.5 | Romney Malick. |
| 0:50.7 | And I watched it, and I have some thoughts about it. I liked it overall, but there were |
| 0:57.5 | some, I don't know, parts of it that I would have changed, I guess. But as an amateur historian |
| 1:03.5 | of lots of things, including World War II, this is interesting to me. |
| 1:16.4 | And it's disheartening to watch fascism on the rise around the world right now. |
| 1:19.6 | We did a recent deep dive on neo-Nazism a year ago. And I thought that was a fringe thing, but apparently not really, especially when you expand the beliefs and the movements that wouldn't call themselves |
| 1:31.7 | neo-Nazis and fascists. |
| 1:33.4 | You know, there's a lot of sentiment around this. |
| 1:35.1 | But anyway, welcome to the podcast, Jack L. Hi. |
| 1:38.6 | Thanks so much for having me here. |
| 1:41.1 | I appreciate the invitation. |
| 1:43.0 | So your book is titled, what? The Nazi and the |
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