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Some shows may have ads. Hello I'm Stephen and I am not joined by Helen for the latest emergency podcast because she is the first

casualty of our own reshuffle but I am joined by Anusha Kaleen, our Deputy Web Editor.

Hello.

And Julia Rampan, our new-ish staggers editor.

Hello.

So Anush, there were an awful lot of changes.

It was a fairly wide ranging, well not reshuffle, because it was a fairly wide ranging will not reshuffle

because it's a new government shuffle I guess. Yeah the probably the biggest thing

that everyone was focusing on was the appointment of Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary.

It was considered quite an unexpected move from Theresa May, but also quite a brave move, as in the

piece that you wrote shortly after the appointment.

Everyone thought that the prevailing consensus was that it was going to be

disastrous considering he's gaff prone and he's a divisive figure but actually you you wrote that it was a

smart move by Theresa May because she would be able to neutralize the threat from him and

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