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You know, Richard, in the various discussions we've had over the months about the terrible state of uphology.

We were interviewing last week, Paul Kimball, the documentary filmmaker with whom you're acquainted,

and we were all talking about whether we should just tear down the walls of uphology as it exists today and find a way to create something that works because the present structure doesn't work.

What do you think?

Well, what is the structure itself?

I mean, what you have are a bunch of individual researchers, some of whom belong to one group or another,

move on, let's say. Is that the structure that you mean? Otherwise, what the structure

of conferences, I don't really perceive much of a structure. I see a few people who take a little

more initiative than others,, that's about it.

There's no money.

There's no organized flow of money.

So I don't know what that means.

I mean, I've met Paul, and we actually now get along, surprisingly.

We have not the very nicest things to say about each other in the past.

But we discovered when we actually met face-to-face that we liked each other. There's a shocker. But I understand Paul's perspective to some extent. I know he's not a

total UFO skeptic, but he's skeptical about a number of things. So I assume that there's a lot about

euphology he's not happy about. What walls does one tear down? The whole structure of exopolitics is that one thing maybe I don't know I

don't even know what exopolitics is sometimes the thing I worry about is people who

participate in exopolitics know what exopolitics is I mean is it extraterrestrial

politics well how could we know because we aren't talking personally to any

extraterrestrial people and the people

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