If you've ever wondered what goes on behind the scenes at Hollywood from one of the

industry's smartest and most successful agents, today's episode is for you.

I want to introduce you to Elaine Goldsmith Thomas. She's the woman behind megastars like

Jennifer Lopez, Julia Roberts, Madonna, and so many more. And today, the former agent is now

a first-time novelist. In her new book, Climbing in Heels, Elaine takes readers inside a talent agency

in Hollywood during the 80s. We're talking big hair, high heels, Elaine takes readers inside a talent agency in Hollywood during the 80s. We're talking

big hair, high heels, and even a higher glass ceiling. Elaine used her own insight and expertise

to craft this riveting novel, and she joins me today to talk about it. We'll also get into

Elaine's family life, loss, and the ways even the biggest stars

have shown up for her when she needed support the most. Buckle up, we're about to peel back

the curtain on some of the industry's most interesting and exciting storylines. I'm Hoda

Kotopje. Welcome to my podcast, Making Space.

So, Elaine, I'm so happy to be sitting with you and digging into this life of yours,

which, you know what, you're like fascinating. I mean,

I knew bits and pieces, but what I'm most fascinated with in this moment is your pivot. For me,

I call it kind of repotting. It's like yanking something up by the roots. You're in the air.

You're scared. Is it the right thing?

And you plant yourself into really fertile ground,

and you find yourself, like, kind of expanding.

So tell me just today, how do you feel where you are in your life?

Well, first of all, I think life is about the pivot, right?

And I think that the people who I find are forever young and may be happy are those that understand and accept it, right? They say the only thing constant is change.

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