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Novara Live Interview: China Is Winning Trump’s Trade War with Keyu Jin

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News, Daily News, Politics, News Commentary

4.8577 Ratings

🗓️ 16 April 2025

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

Michael speaks to Chinese economist and LSE economics professor Keyu Jin about Trump’s trade war and who has the upper hand.

 

Correction: In the introduction to this interview, Michael said China had blocked the export of jets to Boeing. In fact, China blocked the import of jets from Boeing. We apologise for the error. Support our work: http://novara.media/support

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0:00.0

Donald Trump's brinkmanship with China has already dramatically backfired after realizing the damage

0:05.6

it would do to the United States. Economy Trump has already exempted smartphones and other electronics

0:10.4

from his 145% tariffs. What's more, the US has belatedly realized the damage China can cause

0:17.3

if it halts exports of the materials and parts which are essential to US production.

0:23.1

China has already halted the export of rare earths and magnets needed for the car and semiconductor

0:28.0

industries, and China has now stopped exporting the jets. Boeing needs to build its commercial

0:33.3

airplanes. So how did Trump get his trade war so wrong? Well, on the one hand, the answer is simple.

0:41.2

Donald Trump is a moron. But the Harvard trained economist, Kiu Jin, thinks there's something deeper

0:46.2

going on. Namely, not just Trump, but rather the entire Western political establishment just

0:51.8

doesn't understand what's happening in Beijing and how strong

0:55.7

the Chinese economy has become. Kei Jin is currently professor of economics at the London School of

1:01.7

Economics and she's the author of the new China playbook beyond socialism and capitalism.

1:06.9

Kei Jin is also a Chinese national and she spoke to me from Beijing, and I began by asking whether she thinks China has already won Trump's trade war.

1:15.8

No one really wins from a trade war and China is actually very not interested in engaging in any kind of trade war, but really is pushed into the stance of resistance, even fighting until the end, as the

1:30.5

leaders say.

1:32.8

It's very interesting, the perspective from inside China, where I am right now, where there's

1:38.1

an almost consensus, almost consensus, whether it's the government or the people, then this is

1:43.2

the right strategy

1:44.1

to deal with Trump. Stay strong, hit the U.S. where it hurts until you can bring them back

1:51.7

to rational dialogue. So there has been almost no debate about the fact that China has

1:57.6

done these retaliatory tariffs and has held their position.

2:02.0

Yeah, and I wanted to know, actually, about attitudes in China to the trade war.

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