Novara FM: Will We Still Be Mad After Capitalism? w/ Micha Frazer-Carroll
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🗓️ 24 August 2023
⏱️ 53 minutes
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Summary
Mental illness is endemic to life under capitalism, yet it’s still largely talked about as a personal and medical issue. But what if we ditched the campaigns to “raise awareness” and instead turned our attention to criticising the systems that make us mad?
Micha Frazer-Carroll is a journalist and the author of Mad World: The Politics of Mental Health. She joins Novara Media’s Charlotte England to discuss how her own experiences of madness and diagnosis fed into the book’s reframing of everything from disability and psychiatry to racism, abolition and work.
Addressing the heated debate around Micha’s recent Novara article on mental health diagnoses, they also discuss the impact of the rise in self-diagnosis, whether the working day is itself a kind of dissociative state, and if we’ll still be mad after capitalism.
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| 0:44.3 | We are facing a mental health crisis. We hear this all the time, but it sometimes seems like the |
| 0:50.6 | left has run out of ways to talk about it. As an editor, I certainly find it difficult to |
| 0:56.3 | commission on the subject. We often take things at face value and approach the topic in simplistic |
| 1:02.0 | ways. We might support liberal attempts at awareness raising that put the owners on individuals |
| 1:07.6 | to destigmatise some more palatable mental illnesses that exclude others and ignore the fact |
| 1:13.4 | that for many it help isn't available just through asking for it. Or we acknowledge that services |
| 1:18.8 | are underfunded. The weight is too long for diagnosis or treatment. But in a starved, |
| 1:24.7 | neoliberal context, where it feels our focus must be on opposing the dismantling of the NHS, |
| 1:30.3 | we're too scared to interrogate the services themselves and acknowledge that we're calling for |
| 1:34.6 | increased spending on what many see as a carceral system, closely linked to police and prisons. |
| 1:40.7 | We lean heavily on diagnoses that can be a lifeline in helping us to navigate a deeply |
| 1:45.2 | ableist world, without reflecting on what it means to speak of something we are or we have, |
| 1:50.4 | rather than something that is done to us. At best, we know how capitalism is making us sick, |
| 1:56.2 | but we rarely interrogate what mental health and madness actually are, in order to imagine a |
| 2:00.8 | world where things are radically different. The Misha Fraser Carol's new book, Mad World, |
| 2:06.2 | does just that. How do we take the often alienating and debilitating experiences of madness, |
| 2:12.1 | she asks, and turn them outwards to politicise them? Misha is a journalist and writer, |
| 2:17.9 | who's worked for Galdem in the independent. I'm Charlotte England from the Navara Articles |
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