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Novara FM: The Art of the Psyop w/ Trevor Paglen

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Society & Culture, Philosophy, News, Politics

4.81.5K Ratings

🗓️ 17 August 2023

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

We live in exciting times for ufology. We’re also coming to realise that many of the modern-day myths around visiting spacecraft were in fact planted by our own intelligence services. But how to tell fact from fiction?

Trevor Paglen is an American artist known for investigating the invisible through the visible. His practice has taken him to Afghanistan to uncover “black site” prisons, underwater to photograph the cables that carry the NSA’s data, and to the Californian desert to photograph the 350 unidentified objects currently orbiting Earth.

Richard Hames talks to him about the art of the psychological operation (or psyop), the continuing legacy of MK ULTRA and, of course, aliens.

This episode contains descriptions of torture at CIA black sites in its first half.

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Power has often demanded silence, but it has also compelled people to speak.

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In the confessional booths of even the most sexually repressed societies, the priest still

0:55.1

solicited all the salacious details.

0:59.1

In our own day, compelling people to speak their truth has become a dominant mode of

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exerting control over them.

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But there's one particularly significant, and perhaps unexpected, moment in the history

1:11.9

of post-war state power that exemplifies these tensions between the compulsion to speak

1:18.6

and the compulsion to be silent, aliens.

1:24.2

Well recently, the imperious silence of the state on the question of UFOs had led to

1:29.7

an endless babble of speculation about them, but there's more to it than that.

1:35.3

Increasingly, we're coming to realise that through the latter half of the 20th century,

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the sources of lots of modern-day myths that surround UFOs were actually the intelligent

1:45.0

services themselves.

1:47.6

We might even start to ask, not what are they hiding from us, but why do they seem to

1:53.6

want us to believe so much?

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And who better to discuss this all with?

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