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Novara FM: The Absurdity of Rearmament w/ Khem Rogaly

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🗓️ 11 March 2025

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

The US is no longer supporting Ukraine, and in response, the UK and Europe are rearming. Germany is taking off its hallowed ‘debt brake’ to allow it, while Keir Starmer is talking tough about the capabilities of the British armed forces.

In a world still dominated by the American military, what does it matter? And what could we do instead?

Khem Rogaly, a senior research fellow at Common Wealth, has proposed a ‘Lucas Plan for the 21st Century’ that would put the fight against climate change, and not war, at the centre of European economic growth.

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0:00.0

For the last 35 years, there's been a single dominant military power, America.

0:19.6

But after a spat in the White House with Lodomyselensky

0:22.5

and a speech by J.D. Vance calling on Europe to pay for its own security, it seems like they're

0:28.2

no longer interested in playing exactly the same role they have been. In Ukraine, they've cut off

0:34.3

the information sharing crucial to modern combat and have halted the delivery of new equipment.

0:39.3

Since then, there's been a flurry of activity in Europe.

0:43.3

The British and Europeans are looking set to rearm.

0:47.3

The Germans are going to change their spending limits to fund a new round of military escalation.

0:52.3

Britain and France, the continent's current military powers,

0:56.0

are planning to increase their spending even further.

0:59.0

Beyond the huge sums involved, what effect will this actually have?

1:04.0

The drones shatter the entire paradigm of war based around major pieces of kit,

1:09.0

like aircraft carriers and tanks.

1:11.6

And what would a re-armed European power actually be doing, if not just running operations

1:17.6

for their more competent allies like the Americans, and like they did in the genocide in Gaza,

1:23.6

the Israelis?

1:25.6

To find out what's really at play, and to find out what we could do with all this

1:30.0

investment instead, I asked Ken Rogali, a senior research fellow at the think tank, Commonwealth.

1:36.8

He has the most comprehensive answer going to the question of what we should do instead.

1:42.3

Instead of re-arming, he argues, we should turn government investment

1:46.0

and workers' democratic control to the task of fighting climate change. In his report, called

1:53.2

a Lucas Plan for the 21st century, this rather general point becomes crystal clear and pragmatic.

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