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Hello and welcome to Navara FM. I'm Eleanor Penny.

The land in England, however green and pleasant, however looming large in the imagination of nativist politics, remains closed off from us.

There is no right of access to 92% of land and 97% of rivers in England and Wales.

We're living in a world where ancient feudal aristocracies and early capitalist land grabs still hold sway over how we live our lives.

They still shape our fundamental rights and freedoms.

Meanwhile, ecological destruction is ramping up and recent policing bills are locking us further out of a connection to the world around us.

But if you step over barbed wire fences and pass the signs glaring private property, keep out, that might be the first step to a better way of relating to nature, a better way of relating to one another.

So claims right to Rome, a campaign group pushing for greater access to lands and waterways.

To find out more, I spoke to John Moses, a writer, researcher and a national campaigner with right to Rome.

He's written about the politics of the countryside, ecology and much more besides for outlets including the Guardian, Business Week and the Lead.

We talked about the history of enclosure, trespassing etiquette and the thorny issue of belonging.

John, thank you so much for joining us.

Hi, I'm good to join you.

I'm wondering how you got involved with right to Rome if you could tell us a little bit about that and I guess the history of the organisation because it's fairly new.

Yeah, it's been going on about two years or so now.

I live in the Welsh borders.

I can sort of just about see England, unfortunately, from my house.

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