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Novara FM: Fascism Is Not The Exception w/ Alberto Toscano

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🗓️ 1 December 2023

⏱️ 69 minutes

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In recent years we’ve spent a lot of time arguing about fascism – what it means, what it looks like, and how we would know if it had returned. That typically brings us back to the European fascism of ’30s and ’40s, with its uniforms, symbols, marches and camps. But the philosopher Alberto Toscano, currently teaching […]

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F. N. You know what fascism is.

1:04.0

You know what fascism is. You can point to it easily. It's jackboots and marching and powerful

1:18.7

symbols and death camps. But at the same time, fascism is one of the most slippery of all political categories.

1:26.0

Almost everyone agrees it's necessary to keep alerts to the threats of its return,

1:31.0

and yet some definitions of fascism seem determined to lock it safely

1:35.6

away in the 1930s and 40s.

1:39.4

And working out exactly what the contemporary far right has in common with the Nazis or

1:44.8

Mussolini's regime is hard. Every claim that some person or something is

1:50.2

fascist seems to trigger a series of reasons why things now are fundamentally different.

1:56.3

Every similarity with the period of classical fascism one can point to also highlights

2:00.9

conspicuous differences.

2:03.0

But what if we were to stop thinking about fascism

2:06.0

in terms of these simplistic comparisons with the past?

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That's the suggestion of Alberto Toscano,

2:12.0

an associate professor Simon Fraser University in Vancouver.

2:16.0

In his new book Late Fascism, Alberto draws on W.E.B. de Bois to describe fascism as the counter-revolution of property in a way

2:26.5

that allows us to think through fascism's instantiations, not just in its classical

2:31.3

period, but now, and crucially, back into its colonial past.

2:36.2

That formulation allows us to grasp what we might call with the Black Radical tradition

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