I'm Naomi Klein and I am at Navarro Media right now having just done in a wonderful in-depth interview and this is why I love Navarro Media and I listen regularly and watch to find out what the hell is going on in the UK.

It is so critical to have independent media that we can trust that goes deep on the issues

and also lets people stay up on the day-to-day twists and turns.

It's going to be especially important for your next election.

So I'm incredibly grateful that Navarro media exists and it exists because people support it so make sure to support

Navarro Media we need left institutions and that means that we have to support

them when they're doing such great work as Navarre media is.

Thanks. What does it take for us to become adults? I was joined by Blind Boy, author, podcaster artist,

to talk about how cultivating compassion, reflective understanding and the careful study of history can

take us away from being reactive, traumatized beings towards being, well, fully fledged humans.

And just so you know, this is one of the most wide-ranging discussions

I've ever had on downstream.

We cover everything from Eminem to the Irish connection to Palestine all the way to why dogs aren't real.

Plus his new collection of short stories, Topographical, Hiberica.

So stay tuned.

Like I'm in my late 30s now and the clothes that are fashionable are what was fashionable when I was 17.

And over lockdown, I decided it was when we ended lockdown I was like okay I'm gonna

update my wardrobe I'm gonna update my wardrobe now and I'm gonna wear what's

fashionable because skinny jeans aren't in anymore.

So I wore baggy blue Dickie's jeans, I wore a white t-shirt, and then I was having a bit of mental health issues at the time so I died my hair

bland underneath the bag and I went out and had a pint and this dude of about 20 approached me in

a smoking area and said oh is there a play on or something?

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