there is that rustling right so yeah it's not like it's super clean and easy where you're like

okay god just use me however you want to right no it's difficult because you do wrestle i don't

you don't want to give up being a state home mom i didn't want to see my marriage end i thought

when i got married that was it for life right and? And so all of those things that we think,

we make these great plans for ourselves. And then God laughs because he's like, yeah, no, that's

not the way it's going to go. And so we have to really surrender those plans and then be okay with

it. And it is a wrestling match.

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As Erin and I have been talking, it's always, always,

wonderful to be in person and to have a guest in person because we really get a sense of our guests when we get to see them. When my youngest daughter was in preschool, she used to use this

term inhuman instead of in person.

And so I've borrowed it ever since. So it's so fun to be inhuman with our guest, Jennifer DeVita.

And Jennifer, you already, just in the short amount of time that we've been in the studio together,

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