Note from Elie 8/22: Obergefell Isn't Dobbs. Gay Marriage Will Stand.
The Counsel
Vox Media Podcast Network
4.7 • 861 Ratings
🗓️ 22 August 2025
⏱️ 12 minutes
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| 0:38.5 | Hey, everyone, Ellie here, wishing you a happy Friday. Two quick things before we get to |
| 0:43.6 | this week's piece. First of all, some news in the Jeffrey Epstein matter. A third federal judge |
| 0:49.9 | now has denied DOJ's motion to unseal grand jury records. As the judge recognized as we, |
| 0:56.5 | Pree and Joyce and Mimi and I have told you all along, this is just artifice. This is an attempt to |
| 1:02.2 | appear transparent, but not an attempt to create actual transparency and accountability. |
| 1:08.3 | The judges recognize that. And by the way, fun fact, again, we've been |
| 1:11.1 | telling you that the grand jury transcripts were a tiny slice of the file. Judge Berman, Judge |
| 1:16.5 | Richard Berman, who denied the third and final motion, told us that there were about 700 pages |
| 1:21.3 | of grand jury transcripts out of 100,000 or so total pages. That comes out to 7 tenthsenths of one percent. Anyway, on to point two. |
| 1:30.2 | My next book is now just a couple of weeks away, and you all are sort of the perfect audience for |
| 1:37.0 | this. If you enjoy the weekly pieces, you will love this book. I am very proud to say we got |
| 1:42.2 | our first outside review this week. You've seen the blurbs. |
| 1:46.3 | Preak gave me a great blurb, Anderson Cooper, Douglas Brinkley, and all that, but it's a little |
| 1:50.5 | different when you get your outside reviews because you know your blurbs are going to be good. |
| 1:54.5 | This is the review we just got for the book from Booklist. It's a starred review, which I'm |
| 1:59.3 | told only goes to a very small fraction of all books. |
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