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Welcome to Late Night Woman's Hour with me, Emma Barnett.

Each month we bring together a group of brilliant, intelligent, honest and funny women,

and we ask them to tell us what they've been thinking about,

what makes them happy, sad, furious or excited, or all of the above. And they bring us everything. Politics,

culture, relationships, love, hate, sport, the lot. Nothing, and I really mean nothing, is off

the table. So who have we got around the table? Comedian and podcaster Sophie Hagen, Vice Executive

Editor Zing Singh, and writer and journalist Yomi Adegoke.

Sophie, I'm going to come to you first. Let's talk about not wanting children. Talk to us about

that and what people say to you. It was so interesting. The first friend I have who had a baby,

before that I think I just assumed I would want one at some point. And then I went to visit her and the baby.

And it was just this realization that it was constant.

Because I used to think, oh, when you have a child, I used to see that, you know, that from like the movies, you see, oh, the child is saying its first words.

It's doing a burp.

And then it's asleep. And you see it as this little, oh, it's going to be just a bunch of beautiful moments.

But it's all the time.

I was just looking at this baby going like, it's all the time.

It never stops.

It never ever stops being like you have to do it all.

And I was just like, I can't.

So the confirmation for you was actually seeing it was real like it was yeah it was

also because now I have a lot of friends with a lot of beautiful amazing babies that I

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