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This episode is brought to you by the Financial Fairness Podcast,

which I've recently become a subscriber to.

If you like this, I'm sure you're going to enjoy it.

It is excellent conversations about the issues that affect living standards.

I listened to a great one yesterday, with Chief Executive of the Trustl Trust, Emma Revy,

who's working to stop UK hunger and poverty.

And she's incredible, obviously.

Now, of course, people needing to turn to food banks because the financial hardship is deeply troubling.

But it was also really inspiring to hear about how they meet that need with compassion

and also Emma's thoughts on what needs to change.

And that is what is at the heart of every episode.

And of the Financial Fairness Trust itself, improving living standards for people

on low-to-middle incomes in the UK.

Now, like I said, I'm certain that if you enjoy our podcast, you'll really love it.

And I'm just looking down the feed.

And they have excellent guests to real heavyweights,

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