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This says reasons to be cheerful with Ed Millivand and Jeff Lloyd.

Well hello. Hello. How was your Easter? It was fine. I feel like maybe we are not in touch

enough. Why did you say that? Well, because I told you just before we turned the mics on that I'd

been to Nice. I went on a fantastic holiday to Nice for Easter. You said, oh, I love Nice.

Do you seem to be very unfair with Nice? But we I felt to communicate before and I was going.

I would have got lots of travel tips from you. But some years ago, I recommended it as a holiday

destination to you. And you were kind of sniffy and snooty about and said, oh no, it's very touristy.

We prefer to go somewhere more authentic. That sounds entirely characteristic of me to say,

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