Welcome to the Unspeakable Podcast. I'm your host, Megan Dahl. Before I introduce this week's guests,

yes, that's guests plural. Just a quick reminder that the next listener Zoom hangout is coming out

this Sunday, November 6th at 8 p.m. Eastern Time. This is for subscribers to the

substack at the founding member level. And it's a great thing. We meet every month on a Sunday

evening for about an hour and a half, sometimes two hours, talk about recent episodes of the podcast,

and I am there. I will facilitate the discussion, and it's a really good thing. So if you want

to join us and you're not yet a founding member, you can go to the substack at megandaum.com

and join us. So again, that's Sunday, November 6th at 8 p.m.

Okay, today's guests are three people. This is historic because I've never interviewed

three people at once on this podcast. They are the hosts of a brand new podcast called Not

Even Mad. They are Virginia Heffernan, Jamie Kirchick, and Mike Peska.

Mike has been a guest on this show before. He is the host of The Gist, very famous, long-running,

daily. That is five days a week political podcast, and he's decided to do a second podcast, because I guess that's what

one does now. So they are here to talk about it. It premiered last Wednesday, October 26th,

and so they're going to tell us what they talk about. This is a little bit different because they do a

lot of the talking. I do attempt to interview

them, but it's a little bit of a new thing to interview three people. There might be moments where

you're wondering why I didn't push back a little bit more to some of the things that the people say.

And I kind of just figured I should let them push back at one another.

So that's kind of the way the way things are going.

I do chime in quite a bit, but that's kind of how things are on this one.

So anyway, here is my conversation.

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