Hi, I'm Ben Sass.

And I'm Chris Steyerwold.

And this is not dead yet.

We're all dying, but only some of us have been brought face to face with that reality.

However long each of us have to do it, though, we all want to live a good life.

One with meaning, love, and joy.

And our guests are here to help us do exactly that.

All right, Ben Sass.

I had a propitious encounter today to get me ready for today's episode, which is I had the broadcast journalism class

from Bishop Ierton High School come and call on me at my job at News Nation. It's the school

where my sons attend and these kids were there.

They're in a nice football field.

I like that football field.

They have a very nice football field.

They've got great athletics.

But it turns out they do have some academics also.

And I got talking to them about the difference between a vocation and a profession.

Nice.

And as I was talking about what it is to be called to do something versus trained to do it and all of that stuff, I got thinking about today's guest, Mike Rowe, who is the man synonymous with the dignity

of vocation and the work that Americans do who's become the avatar for that.

I really like Mike Rowe personally, and I really like that he exists on our cultural landscape.

I don't think much, I haven't thought much about the word profession.

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