Hi, I'm Ben Sass, and I'm Chris Steyerwalt.

And this is not dead yet.

We're all dying, but only some of us have been brought face to face with that reality.

However long, each of us have to do it, though, we all want to live a good life.

One with meaning, love, and joy, and our guests are here to help us do exactly that.

Ben Sass, I, it's not that I don't care about space.

I get it.

I understand about space travel and all that jazz.

But I do really like Clayton Anderson. I genuinely, I've interviewed him before on television

around the Artemis II mission.

And you can't not like this person.

He is a just a, he is a consummate delight.

Are you a space dork?

I am not.

I kind of, I often joke if you have three lives or nine lives, what jobs you would have taken. And I would have definitely pursued my dream of being a football coach and I would have been an architect or whatever else. I've never had on my list, uh, astronaut. But I feel like, um, kind of like you, I feel like a little bit eat your vegetables. I should understand

space a little more. And Clayton is a really good way in because he's such a fascinating human,

great American story. I don't know all the particular facts. You're always as the excellent

journalist that you are, more precise on the way we're going to summarize and introduce him here momentarily.

But at 100 and he spent like half a year of his life in space.

I think at some point he did the sixth or seven spacewalk and he led the global historical count of spacewalks or something.

But he's anti-bureaucratic in an organization that usually advances bureaucrats first.

So he's a guy who gets in trouble.

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