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Donald Trump was fed up with Kim Jong-un threatening the US, so he threatened that if he kept on making threats,

he would unleash fire and fury like the world has never seen.

Well, Mr. Kim, Julie, threatened the US again, and the world hold its breath as we wait to see if Mr. Trump can find a yet greater threat to, Mr. Kim duly threatened the US again and the world hold its breath as we wait

to see if Mr. Trump can find a yet greater threat to stop Mr. Kim making threats. This week

we've got a North Korea special and to work out how we got here and what comes next. I'm joined

by Sky News diplomatic editor Dominic Waghorn, senior research associate at Middlebury Institute

of International Studies,

Andrea Berger, and Christina Varyali from Royal United Service Institute,

specialising in proliferation and nuclear policy. Welcome to you all.

Dominic, if I can start with you, how did we get to this point?

We got to this point because North Korea has been persistently trying to develop nuclear weapons

and has been making progress on that front and has been, it seems, making actually better

progress than most people had anticipated and predicted.

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