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This is the perfect time where reality is so slippery in so many different fucking ways,

and our narrative is so disoriented, so fractured, that of course it's the perfect time to

tell people that UFOs are anomalous crap that we can't understand. But we talk about

individuals. They're such a social stigma against people believing that they've had

these experiences.

Jim Perry is the host of the podcast, Ufumet, a documentary series about the unknown and

our relationship to it, where real people share their experiences with the paranormal.

But Ufumet is not your typical paranormal show. It's less concerned with whether the

supernatural is real and more concerned with how the allegedly unreal still affects us

in a very real way. I actually used to work for Ufumet, traveling with Jim to meet up

with these experiences. Today we'll share our own unexplainable stories, hear about Jim's

time embedded with an abductee support group, and arrive at the same conclusion we always

do. We can't know anything for sure.

I am so excited to welcome one of my very goodest buddies and paranormal extraordinaire if

there ever was one, Jim Perry of the Ufumet podcast. Hi Jim.

Hi, Charles. I'm glad you didn't call me an expert. I'm an extraordinaire. I love it.

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