When I say we don't move on from grief, we move forward with it. It means I am carrying that experience, not just the loss, but the love. I am carrying it all inside of me. We are formed by all of our experiences.

The angle of me, the computer for our homes are from far. So is your hand in a wave, your lighters.

It's in the world night and in our imaginations. Anything is possible.

This is our imagination. Hey guys, it's Kathy Heller. Welcome back to the podcast. My heart is so full. I cannot wait to share with you some pieces of this event we did last week. It was truly one of the best days of my life.

Standing on stage with Andy Grammer, being with Amy Perty all day, having Candace Nelson there, singing with the rescues, Asia, Andy's wife, the things that were felt in that theater. It was just so great. It was so great.

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Okay, so let's get into today's episode. I'm so delighted. The amazing Nora McInery is here. She's a bestselling author, writer, award-winning podcast host and speaker. You might have seen her famous TED Talk. We don't move on from grief. We move forward with it, which was the number four TED Talk of 2019.

And maybe you read one of her many awesome books like Bad Moms, No Happy Endings. It's okay to laugh, crying is cool too. The Hot Young Widow's Club. And Nora has a new book that just came out this month. It's called Bad Vibes Only and other things I bring to the table.

A Raw and Humorous Essay collection that revisits her cringy past and anticipates her rapidly approaching early middle age future.

In the book, she lays bare her own chaos and invites us to drop the facade of perfection and brace the truth that we are all at best slightly unhinged. Everyone listening needs to get a copy because it's for all the overthinkers, analyzers, recovering girl bosses, reminding us that a life worth living is about more than just good vibes.

Also, go listen to Nora's beloved podcast. Terrible thanks for asking. It's a show that lets people just be honest about the hard things in life and boy, do we need that more than ever? I've known about Nora for such a long time because of our mutual friend Emily McDowell.

So it was just such a joy to finally just connect. She has this unbelievable gift of making us laugh even when it feels like there's so much darkness and sadness. And she knows how to create a beautiful sacred space for people to share the difficult things they're going through.

I know you're going to love her humor and her energy. So without further ado, please welcome the brilliant Nora McInery.

Nora, I'm so happy that you're here. I've been hearing about you for years from the world. Also, we have a personal mutual friend Emily McDowell has been on this show a couple times.

And you've already made me laugh before we hit record and I just got here. So I'm already happy. Thank you for coming on.

Thank you for having me. What a delight.

What a delight. You're just one of those people that everyone immediately wants to be friends with because you do the things you do, which is.

You're just approachable and you don't have this like look at me.

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