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HVAC School - For Techs, By Techs

Non-Condensibles

HVAC School - For Techs, By Techs

Bryan Orr

Education, Business, Self-improvement, Careers

4.91K Ratings

🗓️ 15 August 2019

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

Eric Mele and Joe Shearer join Bryan to discuss the challenging issue of diagnosing and rectifying non-condensibles in the circuit.

Non-condensibles are gases that don't condense, including nitrogen. These are NOT moisture or contaminants, and they can be tricky to diagnose; the pressure readings will likely be normal, but the charge will actually be quite low (around 60-75% of the usual charge). These gases also don't just enter the system suddenly in significant amounts; non-condensibles typically enter the system when lots of technicians work on it, or the gases have been there all along.

One of the most telling symptoms of non-condensibles in the system is elevated head pressure and subcooling WITH flashing. (You can usually hear the flashing at the metering device if you listen.) Otherwise, the symptoms often mimic those of a metering device restriction, which is a much more common issue. The only real way to tell if you have non-condensibles is to weigh out the charge; you may recover the charge or pump down the system.

When you come across a system with non-condensibles, the customer may merely notice decreased cooling performance for an extended period. However, when a system is allowed to run with non-condensibles for a long time, there will likely be some long-term effects on your system. For example, these gases can erode the needle on a TXV.

Eric, Joe, and Bryan also discuss:

  • Common misdiagnoses
  • Metering device restrictions
  • How metering device type affects non-condensible symptoms
  • Liquid seals
  • Pinching off the discharge line
  • Copper plating on compressors
  • Pumping down scroll compressors (and general pump down)
  • Training other technicians to diagnose non-condensibles
  • Liquid line and filter drier restrictions
  • Long line sets and accessories
 

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0:00.0

and This episode of the HVAC School podcast is made possible by our sponsors.

0:21.1

And our sponsors are Field Piece and Field Piece.

0:23.0

Field Piece makes a lot of great tools.

0:25.0

They make the MR-45 recovery machine.

0:28.0

If you haven't taken a look at that, it's a great recovery machine.

0:30.0

Also make the VP85 vacuum pump.

0:34.0

Both of those are tools that we use at Kailos and we like really haven't found any fault with them.

0:38.0

They just work.

0:40.0

They have a nice rectangular form factor too, so they fit in the truck really nicely. They don't

0:44.3

roll around these. A lot of times you have these kind of top heavy vacuum pumps that

0:48.1

tend to want to fall out the door. These are really nice solid devices that have DC motors in them, they're energy efficient, they're quiet,

0:56.6

and they just do the job right. Fieldpiece and Fieldpiece.com.

0:59.2

You can find more about these tools, the MR 45 and the VP85, at true tech tools.com, TRU tech tools.com.

1:07.0

Also I want to thank speed clean and speed clean.com.

1:09.4

Speed clean makes a lot of great tools. One of my favorites that they make is the coil jet. I got a chance to see the

1:14.9

coil jets being assembled up in their factory in Connecticut and they put a lot of care into testing

1:20.1

and assembling them. And it's a great way to get water where you need it, especially in places like

1:25.1

cleaning a ductless system or cleaning an air handler in place or maybe a rooftop

1:29.7

unit. You can get the water and the right pressure where you need it when you need it without the need for a hose or electrical power.

1:37.0

So it's really handy to have.

1:39.0

That is the coiljet from speedclean. You can find out more at speedclean.com.

1:42.0

They're also available at truetech tools.com.

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