Hi, I'm Dr. Amy Robbins and welcome to the life, death, and space between podcast. I'm a licensed

clinical psychologist and medium. I know it seems like a strange combination, but that gives me a

unique view of life and death. Death can be scary. I get that. That's why I'm doing this.

I want to help people explore life, death, and what it all means. We are born and we die.

What we do in the middle is the space between. Today I'm talking with Dr. Deborah Kissen.

She's the clinical director of the Light on Anxiety Treatment Center.

Dr. Kisson specializes in cognitive behavioral therapy for anxiety and related disorders.

Dr. Kissen is the author of the panic workbook forens and an active contributor to the Huffington Post

and shares information on empirically supported treatment for anxiety and related disorders.

Dr. Kissen also has a special interest in the principles of mindfulness and their application

for anxiety disorder. Dr. Kisson has presented her research on mindful-based treatments at regional

and national conferences. Dr. Kisson serves on the Scientific Advisory Board of Beyond

OCD and is the chair of the Anxiety and Depression Association of America Public Education

Committee. Pretty impressive resume, and I'm excited to welcome

my friend, Dr. Deborah Kissin. So today we're going to start because one of the issues I'm

finding in my practice and a big part of what has propelled me to do this podcast is how much our

anxiety is fueled by our fear of death or unresolved

loss. So you treat anxiety specifically. What are your thoughts on that? I'd say that's pretty

much the core fear really for everyone when you start tapping at their anxiety, and we call it

in CBT or cognitive behavioral therapy, a downward arrow, where you start saying, okay, well,

what would be so bad about that?

And then what would be so bad about that?

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