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🗓️ 1 February 2022
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0:30.0 | Welcome to the HBR idea cast from Harvard Business Review. I'm Alison Beard. |
0:41.7 | There's been a big fuss made about disruption in recent years. Tech-enabled startups are |
0:53.8 | taking over the world, and old economy companies just can't compete. Look at what Netflix did |
0:59.0 | Blockbuster, what Amazon did to department stores. Our guest today says that narrative ignores |
1:04.5 | one thing. Over the past three decades, many industries haven't been disrupted at all. In |
1:09.8 | fact, his research into the Fortune 500 and Global 500 shows that lots of large and long |
1:15.4 | standing businesses are not just surviving but thriving in today's digital world. How are |
1:20.8 | they managing it? |
1:22.4 | Julian Birkenshaw is a professor at London Business School. He's the author of the HBR article |
1:27.3 | How Incomments Survive and Thrive. Julian, welcome to the show. |
1:31.9 | Thank you very much, Alison. Nice to be here. |
1:37.5 | First could you just explain why this narrative around disruption is so wrong? What did you |
1:43.2 | find in your analysis to show that incumbents are actually going really strong? |
1:48.7 | So I'd always have this nagging worry that the narrative of disruption where the big |
1:55.1 | established companies were dinosaurs was overplayed. So I went back to the data. I simply |
2:02.2 | took the Fortune 500 list, which as you all know is the top 500 companies in the US by |
2:09.2 | sales. And I asked myself, how many of the companies on that list today did not exist |
2:17.4 | 25 years ago? So 25 years ago is 1995. And that date is chosen not just because it's a |
2:24.6 | convenient quarter century, but because 95 was the year when the internet really became |
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