Hello, hello everyone. Welcome back to the Epic Gardening podcast. We are back with Matthew

Reese Warren, a gardener and an author of the ecological gardener, which you can pick up

in the podcast description. So, you know, Matt yesterday we talked about a sack garden,

it's repurposing something that you could find locally. Today we are talking now about how

to just reduce the amount of plastic products that come into the garden in the first place

I suppose. And if not, hopefully, you know, repurposing and reuse some of those. So I'm

curious in your own garden, do you even have anything that contains plastic in it at

this point?

Yeah, I mean, I think it's impossible to not have it. Because if you're going to buy

some plants, they're going to be in plastic. So it's not your fault. And then if, you know,

it is becoming, you know, it's changing. There are certain suppliers who take the plastic

pots back. But if they don't, you feel obliged to just, well, okay, I'll keep using them.

So I find like, we just get swallowed in it then. We just as gardeners, we are just swallowed

in it because it's not that it's like one element. But then there's plastic for everything

because it's the most adaptable, durable weather resistant material that you can get.

And it's the cheapest. So it becomes like overbearing, you know, instead of, you know, it's

plastic plant labels, it's plastic propagators, it's, you know, plastic wheelbarras, plastics,

sort of two hand. It just doesn't, it doesn't stop in garden, I don't think, because there

will always be a price point and we can never sort of, you know, see here and speak about

just buying the most expensive stuff all the time. But yeah, there are, there are ways in

which you can try and stop the waves and just hold back a little bit. And maybe plastic

pots are one of them. So if you imagine that you do try and sort of shut the door a little

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