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I thought I'd be there forever until the day I did it.

You know, it's funny. I never had a conversation with my dad about me leaving day to day.

It just kind of happened. It was like crazy to think about.

It was also a time where probably the toughest time my career was when my dad and I weren't clicking.

There was a point where the business got so big and I was getting the credit.

And I was starting to get the credit and the press.

And I feel like I could have done a better job of giving my dad more credit, but I think it's some level.

I was struggling subconsciously without even realizing it that I owned nothing of it.

And now I'm married. And you know, here I am at 30, 31, 32 years old.

I'm not paying myself a lot of money at all.

You kind of wake up and you've put, you know, a decade of 15-hour days, 360 days a year into something.

You've built something and watched it grow from 4 to 60 million in revenue.

And you've never really made more than $150,000 a year.

I just started getting so much of the credit that it started undermining my dad's own feelings for himself.

It's almost like he was getting wiped out of history and it was an interesting, difficult time.

What it took for me to get out of that moment was the ability to start over.

Did you feel like there was a point where you felt maybe unfulfilled by what even though you were fulfilled,

helping your dad doing on this, you were unfulfilled, there was something else that was there for you that you wanted to chase and wanted to pursue it.

Yeah, I mean, I could feel like me changing.

You know, the obsession with building the biggest wine retail company in America was fading.

And my curiosity about this Web 2.0 evolution of the internet was rising.

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