Hi, Bill Kristall here from Bullwork on Sunday. Very pleased to be joined by my longtime colleague,

first of the weekly standard and then at the Bullwork, a founder of an OG original, a bulwark guy.

Jim Swift, senior editor, collaborator on Morning Shots, Cincinnati Bureau Chief. Is that your most

important title, would you say? To my fellow Ohioans, it is.

They're glad that one of us is here, and I sure saw that yesterday when we were hiking around the hills of Cincinnati. How about your portray? Yeah, we'll get to that a second of No Kings. How about your betrayal? I mean, you grew up in Cleveland, right? So how, isn't it, is that like, is that better to be from Cleveland and Cincinnati, or even worse? sort of the rivalry.

Even worse, you know better to be from Cleveland and Cincinnati or even worse? It's sort of the rivalry.

Even, even worse, you know, I mean, Cleveland's pretty hard on Cincinnati.

Joke is that Cincinnati's more Kentucky and they say Cleveland, you're more like Canada.

And both, both are right and both are wrong.

But it's a friendly rivalry.

You know, Tito Francona is the manager here now. And so there's some bridge building going on between Cleveland and Cincinnati.

They treat you, they treat you okay, I trust.

Yes.

Good. So you were at the Cincinnati, No Kings, yesterday.

I was the one up here in Woffam, Massachusetts, just west of Boston.

Let's exchange, you know, sort of what we've thoughts about what we saw and what we then,

of course, have seen elsewhere and read about elsewhere.

What struck you that?

I'm just curious, what most memorable moment, sign, encounter experience there in Cincinnati

at the No Kings?

Sure. Well, I followed the No Kings. It's actually my first one that I've attended, but

huge, huge turnout. At least 10,000 by my count and by some other more official counts.

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