You are listening to the War on the Rocks podcast on strategy, defense and foreign affairs. My name is Ryan Evans. I'm the editor-in-chief of War in the Rocks.

Bad ideas. How much trouble do they cause in national security? How do they disrupt or hinder the protection and advancement of American interests?

Where do they come from? How do they gain traction?

Our friends at the Center for Strategic and International Studies decided to delve more deeply into these questions with their project on bad ideas in national security.

This series features short articles from various thinkers on recently considered a not too obvious bad ideas in the defense and foreign policy space.

There's a whole list of these articles and we linked to them in the show notes.

In this episode of the War on Marks podcast we dig into a selection of them with a

stellar panel of experts. Also Zach Cooper and I continue our self-indulgent feud

on the Great War Game Controversy of 2016.

And if you don't know what I'm talking about,

listen to our last episode.

Enjoy the show.

So, uh, let's go around the table and introduce ourselves. I'm Todd Harrison.

I'm a senior fellow for Defense Budget Analysis and Director of our Aerospace Security Project at CSIS.

I'm Zach Cooper. I'm a research fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.

I'm Suzanne Spalding.

I'm the Senior Advisor for Homeland Security at CSIS.

I'm Fred Bartos. I'm the Policy Analysts for Defense Budget

at the Heritage Foundation.

Caitlin Johnson, I at the Heritage Foundation.

Caitlin Johnson, I'm the Associate Director for the Aerospace Security Project at CSIS.

And I'm Shamest Daniels. I'm a research associate for Defense Budget Analysis at CSIS.

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