Hi, this is Hope. This is Karine. Hi, this is Katie from Washington DC and you're listening to me at the radio.

Okay, good morning. Dr. Bjorn Eckerberg, a plague out that last name correct or good evening for you coming live from Norway.

Thank you so much for being on the show with us today.

Thanks for having me on that.

So, born, you are a polymath.

You are a doctorate in the philosophy of science and author.

I think I even saw some documentaries and maybe some some more creative fiction work as well.

You're the founder of a really cool device company, which happened to be.

I think your company may have even gotten some play at the Roland Garros finals last night because you have Casper Rude who is just.

Unfortunately, the runner up at the French open final yesterday, but I only heard out of the corner of my eye and I know one of the players is wearing something on their chest.

That was like a biofeedback thing and I actually thought they were referring to joke of it, but then I saw Casper is all over your website.

So, you know, there's lots of really cool stuff, but we're going to just talk about lights and frequencies and maybe even get into vibrations.

And if we go down a path of whether or not we're we're living in a simulation.

I won't, you know, mind having an opinion like yours. So anyway, I'm really excited to dig in.

Let me first ask you since there's so much there, how do you.

Maybe introduce yourself to our audience and what was that journey? Where did you start at what point did you decide you want to go into areas of science that are still under explored what.

Take us back to the beginning, whatever the beginning might be for you.

And that's being joke, you can take it there as well.

Yeah, it was what is the beginning, right?

Not to be this terribly long winded, but I've had the privilege of wearing several hats on my head, pursuing several different overlapping interests with no clear intention for a straightforward path, but somehow life has this ability to make sense of things as you go.

So even though I didn't set out to do what I'm currently doing as a CEO of research health, this device company that has a new, you know, infrared light solution that will talk a bit more about.

But I didn't set out to do that, but somehow made several turns where everything started clicking in and making sense.

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