Nina Jankowicz on 'How to Lose the Information War'
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🗓️ 24 September 2020
⏱️ 48 minutes
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Summary
This week on Lawfare's Arbiters of Truth miniseries on disinformation, Evelyn Douek and Quinta Jurecic spoke to Nina Jankowicz, a disinformation fellow at the Wilson Center, about her new book: “How to Lose the Information War: Russia, Fake News, and the Future of Conflict.” The book chronicles Nina’s journey around Europe, tracing down how information operations spearheaded by Russia have played out in countries in the former Soviet bloc, from Georgia to the Czech Republic. What do these case studies reveal about disinformation and how best to counter it—and how many of these lessons can be extrapolated to the United States? How should we understand the role of locals who get swept up in information operations, like the Americans who attended rallies in 2016 that were organized by a Russian troll farm? And what is an information war, anyway?
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:33.9 | The Law and Justice Party itself has used disinformation pretty extensively in order to |
| 0:40.4 | sway election results and sway public opinion. |
| 0:43.9 | And so when you look at Polish national security policy, it's very clear that disinformation |
| 0:49.4 | is a threat, that Russia is a threat, but on the other hand, we have the ruling party |
| 0:53.3 | using disinformation and tacitly endorsing it, which should sound familiar to every American |
| 0:58.6 | listening right now. |
| 1:00.2 | And so that is a scary conclusion for me. |
| 1:03.7 | You can have the best policy on paper in the world, but if you don't have recognition from |
| 1:08.3 | the very top of government that this is a problem, you're not going to get anywhere fighting |
| 1:12.4 | disinformation for an or domestic. |
| 1:14.2 | And frankly, the vector doesn't matter to me. |
| 1:16.5 | It's still threatening democracy. |
| 1:19.5 | I'm Kondydruzik and this is the LawFair podcast, September 24, 2020. |
| 1:28.4 | After a week off, our Arbordos of Truth mini-series on disinformation is back. |
| 1:33.0 | This week, Evelyn Dwak and I spoke to Nina Djankowicz, a disinformation fellow at the Wilson |
| 1:38.2 | Center, about her new book, How to Lose the Information War, Russia, Fake News, and |
| 1:45.0 | the Future of Conflict. |
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