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no bull and the aftermath.

Openness also does not encompass all of America's interests.

That is to say it's a necessary precondition for us to achieve our goals in the world,

to allow us to stay interdependent and to allow us to achieve cooperation in the world,

but it doesn't fulfill all of our global aims.

And finally, openness doesn't exist without limits.

That is to say that in an open world, states will still be able to regulate their borders

and to accept some forms of closure, such as regulating their technology industries where

they're dearest interest of man.

So openness is not like any strategy of full panacea, but it does express what we believe

to be our dearest interests in the world and give us a way forward on how we'll achieve

them.

I'm Benjamin Woodis and this is the LawFair podcast September 25th, 2020.

Rebecca Lissner is an assistant professor at the U.S. Naval War College.

Mira Rapp Hooper is a senior fellow at Yale Law School's China Center.

Together, they are the authors of an open world how America can win the contest for 21st

century order.

It's an ambitious book that looks beyond the liberal world order, arguing that China's

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