Today I am running a show by my friend Bianca Gaver, the producer of the podcast Constellation Prize.

She is just released season two.

And this is the first of a four-part series. It's really freaking good and the first three episodes take place here in Vermont

I'm not gonna say more than that. I'm just gonna play it.

Welcome I'm just going to play it. Welcome. I once, I once walked into a horse in a dark.

In Norway can be very dark in a fall.

I was running for somebody and I run into a horse.

I didn't know what it was. I was very scared of the dark when I was a kid.

Really? Oh you were very scared of the dark. From the believer magazine, you're listening to Constellation Prize.

Night Walking, Part 1. My mother said when I was very little when it was raining it was the

angels who were crying. You believe that? I mean, you know, so do kids believe anything?

What other things did you believe when you're a kid?

I don't know, I believe that. When I trace back my family tree, looking for the

moment my family left religion.

I land on my grandfather.

We started out when we could hardly afford a radio.

He was around my age when he gave the God thing some thought and concluded it was all a sham.

When I was young I was religious I didn't know any better you know you'd never think but when you get older you recognize that this is really fiction.

Religion hangs on because you indoctrinate children, and so they have no judgment on themselves and so it's

a sad thing.

I recorded this conversation in 2013 and now I'm listening back 10 years older piecing together my grandfather's

beliefs. I think the way he saw things I was privileged to have skipped religion altogether.

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