LEARN HOW TO JOURNALSPEAK This week’s episode is a little different than usual. I’m sharing my conversation with Jordan Harbinger from The Jordan Harbinger Show, where Jordan invited me into a thoughtful, curious, and respectful conversation about chronic pain, mind-body medicine, and the work I have spent my life teaching. What I loved most about this interview is that Jordan approached it the way so many people do when they first encounter this paradigm: interested, intelligent, and not willing to simply accept an idea without understanding it. That kind of skepticism is not a problem for me. In many ways, it is the perfect doorway into the work. In this conversation, we talk about what it really means when the brain and nervous system are involved in chronic symptoms, and why that never means the pain is fake, imagined, or “all in your head.” We explore how the body can become an expression of what the human being has not been able to process, and how chronic fight-or-flight can keep people stuck in very real pain, fatigue, anxiety, and other symptoms long after the original danger has passed. I also explain why belief matters, why doing the emotional work matters, and why patience and kindness for yourself are not soft add-ons, but central pieces of recovery. Jordan asks the questions many skeptical listeners might be thinking: How can pain be real if nothing is structurally wrong? How do emotions create physical symptoms? What does someone actually do with this information once they begin to understand it? These are the questions that make this conversation so valuable, whether you are brand new to this work, trying to explain it to someone you love, or deep into your own healing and wanting a clearer, more grounded way to understand what is happening in your body. I’m grateful to Jordan for bringing this conversation to his audience and for giving me the chance to represent so many people who have been misunderstood, dismissed, or left without answers. My hope is that this episode helps more people see that chronic pain and chronic symptoms are not life sentences. There is a way forward, and it begins with understanding the body not as broken, but as brilliantly protective. Enjoy! XOOX n. You can find Jordan Harbinger and The Jordan Harbinger Show at jordanharbinger.com, as well as wherever you listen to podcasts. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠SUBSCRIBE TO MY NEW SUBSTACK⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! So excited about this one :)) Want your questions answered directly by me? 💛 Receive support, guidance, connection, and direct access to me in our HEAL WITH NICOLE MEMBERSHIP: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://tinyurl.com/y7wadt8d⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠1:1 COACHING WITH TRAINED COACHES SUPERVISED DIRECTLY BY NICOLE⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠PLEASE RATE AND REVIEW THE PODCAST HERE TO HELP OTHERS FIND IT!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Producer: Lisa Eisenpresser ~~~~~ SUPPORT: 🟠 Struggling with chronic pain? Check out my Freedom From Chronic Pain course   GET THE FIRST LESSON FREE: ⁠https://www.yourbreakawake.com/painfree⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 🟠  Anxiety controlling your life? Try my Freedom From an Anxious Life course  GET THE FIRST LESSON FREE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.yourbreakawake.com/anxietyfree⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  🧠  Learn more about the brain science and clinical experiences in my book   MIND YOUR BODY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.yourbreakawake.com/book⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  💛  Receive support, guidance, connection, and direct access to Nicole with  MEMBERSHIP: ⁠https://www.yourbreakawake.com/membership⁠⁠⁠⁠ ~~~~ THE CURE FOR CHRONIC PAIN JOIN THE CONVERSATION ON INSTAGRAM  👉   ⁠https://www.instagram.com/nicolesachslcsw⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE TO THE PODCAST  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 👉   ⁠https://podfollow.com/the-cure-for-chronic-pain-with-nicole-sachs-lcsw⁠⁠ LEARN ABOUT ANNUAL OMEGA RETREAT ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 👉   ⁠https://www.yourbreakawake.com/work-with-nicole⁠ Podcast music by the beautiful and talented Danielle Furst: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@musicfurst⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices