Welcome to the Delimford with me, James Delimford, and I know I always sound, if so, about this

week's special guest, but I really am. I've got Nick Hudson over from, well, actually in South

Africa. Nick, I'm really sorry I didn't meet you when you came over to London. Our

diaries did not align. We tried. We tried. But next time, close enough, but just not quite.

What's that map behind you? Is that your local bay? Yeah, that's actually a topographical

map of the Western Cape region covering the whole Cape Full Mountain complex and the

semi-desert area and the coast. I love maps. Does that include Huntsby? Yes, it does include

Huntsby and you can see it. If you look really close, you can see the sharks. I thought it

looked familiar because you know I've been diving with great white sharks in Huntsby, in

Sarkali. Wonderful. That's a good experience. It was good. There's loads I'm really excited

to have got you because you have been one of the heroes of the last two years. Before we

go on, just tell me, for people who haven't encountered you or Panda before, tell us about

yourself and what your organisation does. Sure. Let's start with the organisation. Panda

was set up in the very early days of the COVID crisis when it became clear that these lockdowns

were rippling around the planet and we were concerned that developing countries might

be foolish enough to follow suit and sure enough, as you know, the lockstep implementation

of lockdowns reached all around the planet and before we knew it, we were into not two

but three weeks to flatten the curve and then that was extended and we went into one of

the longest lockdowns of any country in the world and our initial lockdown was extreme.

I think it holds the record for the greatest reduction in mobility was the initial South

African lockdown. We thought it was very ill-advised policy story and maybe I should tell

you who we was. At that stage, it was just a group of connections that somewhat fortuitously

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