Welcome to the Delim pod with me, David's Delim pod. I know I always say I'm excited

about this big special guest, but look who I have bagged. I have got Mike Stark. Mike,

welcome to the Delim pod. Well thanks for inviting me. I don't know what's going to happen. No,

isn't that the exciting part. I mean, I've done no research, almost no research as usual,

and but I was thinking, you know, like if I'd been doing a podcast with you say five years ago,

it would have all have been about, you know, Mike Stark wrote the soundtrack to the 1980s. I'd be

asking you questions about Kylie or whatever. And now, in this new world we're living in,

all that seems to belong to a world that no longer really exists, and actually even at the time

was an illusion, though we didn't know it. Are you with me on that? Well, not quite sure. I know

that it all feels a bit like a dream now, and also times have moved on from when I was having

those issues with Kylie and Rick and stuff from the 80s. I think social media, Twitter and all the

stuff that we're doing now has brought things into light that I never considered back then.

So in a way, it's an awakening from a dream, I suppose.

Well, I mean, the reason I was keen to get you on is because I've been looking at you all

your Twitter, and I get the impression. And I have to say, this is I think is a much greater

achievement than having got however many singles, number one singles by different artists.

What's the, you've got the record, haven't you? Yes, I call them as a Guinness book, yes,

we're the most successful writers and producers, living all dead. Right. But even more

impressive than that in my book is that you are really one of passing few people with any major

public profile to be calling out the craziness of what's going on that you haven't buried your head

in the sand as so many, so many celebrities, politicians, et cetera, the majorities seem to have

done. And I was wondering what was your sort of wake up moment? Now, well, I think look, I stood

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