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This is Recode Media with Peter Kafka.

That is me.

I'm speaking with Nick Hornby, who I'm delighted to speak with.

Hi, Nick.

Hi.

I said this off air too.

I'll just say it again. I meet lots of people that I love talking to and I meet very few of my absolute heroes and you're one of those. So very nice to meet you in person. You've written many great books. High Fidelity is the one that sort of like shot through me like a bolt of electricity, made many great movies. And we're here to talk about a project. Do we call it a movie? Do we call it a TV show? It's a TV show, I think. State of the Union. Yeah. Ten, ten minute episodes that mostly consist of two people talking each other before they go into a marriage counseling session. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's the best you can possibly do with the pitch yeah I could probably

pitch it better right how did you pitch it well I didn't I just started writing I didn't

know what I was writing and and I thought okay that maybe maybe these are good I don't know

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