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This is Recode Media with Peter Kafka.

That is me speaking to you from Vox Media Headquarters in New York City.

We have one of our cool double episodes for you today.

Two conversations with two interesting people.

First, we're going to hear from Joanna Robinson.

I'm going to call the best writer about Game of Thrones online or anywhere else.

We talked with her about her crazy work schedule. She recaps Game

of Thrones sort of live in real time. She's a great authority on the actual show, which as you

know is wrapping up in the next couple of weeks, and has some good deep thoughts about sort of the

state of event TV as well. We talked to her by phone. You're going to hear that first.

And then there's more still free. You're going to hear that first. And then there's more,

still free. You're going to hear from Randy Freer. He is the CEO of Hulu, which for a long time

seemed like this thing that was probably going to be a cool idea that never worked out.

Sponsored, obviously, you guys know what Hulu is, you're listening to this podcast, but is sort

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