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I'm John Batchel with my two good colleagues. Ernest Haruio, former foreign minister of the Republic of Brazil, now traveling.

Joseph Umar, executive director of Secure Free Society.

Joseph's testimony to the U.S. Congress most recently about weaponized migration speaks of trendy Iraq, out of Venezuela, speaks of the NGOs, anti-American

spirit translating into vouchsafing or permitting or funding or guiding, large numbers of

migrants to come to the United States these last years, to drain the U.S. confidence in itself.

But Ernesto, I need your help just a moment here.

We've talked over these years about the left, the so-called pink tide, taking the presidencies

throughout the major states of the Americas.

I don't connect anarchy, violence, gang behavior, draining resources, dislocating people. I don't connect anarchy, violence, gang behavior, drenning resources, dislocating people.

I don't connect that with a leftist ideology immediately. How does it connect to your measure?

Well, John, if you allow me a little bit of history. I think it starts in 1991 when Fidel Castro and Lula da Silva met and

created the Sao Paulo Forum with the idea of replacing in Latin America all that communism

had just lost in Eastern Europe with the fall of the Soviet Union. And they create a strategy specific for Latin America,

to get to power in Latin America,

which is basically to associate with organized crime

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