And at that time, everybody was talking about how Sing Sing is the worst place there is.

You know, there's no place worse than Sing Sing. So, of course, I'm going to Sing Sing. How would Max Security inmates treat a new officer like yourself? Officer said, Counts Clear, boff. Buck blew up, man. Inmates are popping out of the queue, jumping off lockers, jumping off their beds. When did you realize there was a difference between convicts and inmate? I had a lot of informants as a sergeant, so I developed a good rapport with some of the inmates. Like, they trusted me to do the right thing. So I use that to my benefit. What's the most common drug in New York State Prison? Randy Allen spent over 20 years inside New York's prison systems, not as an inmate, but as a mankeeping order and chaos.

From drug busts and hidden weapons to riots and investigations, this is what really happens behind prison walls.

Randy, welcome to Lockton. Thanks so much for coming out here today.

Thanks for having me, Ian. Yeah. I appreciate it. I know you didn't believe it, but the audience does love the correctional officer stories. Yeah, well, I hope you like correction sergeants as well, because that's what I retired as. Yeah, I don't know if we had a correction sergeant. Actually, I think we've had like a captain that's above a sergeant. I know each different, some prisons are different, like at the private facility I was in before I went to, like, the federal area. They had like majors and different levels, but then in the feds, it's completely different. Correct. In the state department, it's the captain's two levels above the sergeant. Okay. And thanks to your friend who pushed you to come on today. Yeah, he talked to me coming in here. He said I should tell some stories. And so, yeah, here I am.

Does he watch the show regularly?

He does. Yeah, he does. And he got you watching it too. He got me watching it. That's what it's all about. Like, the show has grown all because of word of mouth. Well, you definitely have some interesting characters on there.

You got some real dudes, though.

I tell you that it's not hard to tell the difference.

You know, I did 28 years in the department. It's not hard to tell a difference between somebody that's real and somebody that's just going smoke up your ass. Have you listened to a story yet on the pod? And you're like, yeah, it didn't happen. It's not true. A lot of it. A lot of it I've listened to. And I'm like nah, that's exaggerated. Yeah. You know, but I guess this is all for entertainment purposes, though, right? I think what I think it happens is there'll be some people, because I can tell like when someone's like exaggerating a little bit and it, because I've heard the story before from someone else. And I think that's what happens. I think like they watch their, their, they're an avid listener of the show. They come, they're excited to share their story, and they might gear it towards another story they had as if it was their own because they want the audience's reaction. Oh. So I feel like sometimes that happens. But like you said, you can always really tell who's a real one and who's a genuine one. I'm not a very good storyteller, so mine will be short and a little bit confusing maybe at times. That's what I'm here. I'm not a good storyteller. You'll be fine. Hey, you were just talking with Maddie Ice about sports pretty well. Jets. Not much to talk about it. yeah and mattie ice lied to you and said he wasn't a jets fan yeah i'm the only honest jet fan i can tell you that

he's secretly i still admit about the yeah and mattie ice lied you and said he wasn't a jets fan yeah i'm the only honest jet

fan i can tell you that he's secretly i still admit it he was watching a jets cave in here the other day

or yeah i think two weekends ago and no no doubt upset and pissed off the way they're performing

yeah of course every and the giants uh that game um where they were supposed to win And then I guess they totally fumbled it at the end. The Giants? Yeah, the Giants. Are you a Giants fan at all? No. Okay. It's divided in this neck of the woods. It is either Jets or Giants. Yeah, down here is Jets or Giants. Yeah. But where I'm at it's Buffalo. Yeah. Yeah, my cousins are from Pennfield, Rochester area, so diehard Buffalo fans.

They go to the New York game with the Bills.

What was it, Bills versus the Giants?

Is that the game or Jets?

I don't know.

On Monday night, they played the Jets.

Yeah, that's what it was that they want, too.

Of course they did.

Of course they did. Yeah. Yeah. No, I became a, I'd say I'd leading more towards a Buffalo fan now. I don't blame you. You know, Josh Allen. Yeah, so it was my girl. She was a closet Buffalo fan. I didn't know it. Well, we were talking with it because I'm like, you don't like football, right? When we got together, she goes, nah, I go, you're a Jets fan then.

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