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New Mask Rules, Pain Algorithm, Assorted Nuts, Muldrow Glacier. May 14, 2021, Part 1

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🗓️ 14 May 2021

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Fully Vaccinated Can Unmask Often, CDC Says As the number of vaccinated Americans continues to rise and evidence mounts that the vaccines may reduce viral transmission in addition to lessening disease severity, the CDC announced Thursday that fully-vaccinated people may be able to go mask-free except in specific crowded indoor situations. The announcement caused celebration in some circles and anxiety in others, with people wondering how the new guidelines fit into their personal risk assessments. Sarah Zhang, staff writer at The Atlantic, joins Ira to talk about the latest news in the pandemic and beyond, including a WHO committee report discussing the early days of the outbreak, the latest on the Colonial gas pipeline shutdown, research into cats’ love of sitting in boxes, and more.   Can An Algorithm Explain Your Knee Pain? In an ideal world, every visit to the doctor would go something like this: You’d explain what brought you in that day, like some unexplained knee pain. Your physician would listen carefully, run some tests, and voila—the cause of the issue would be revealed, and appropriate treatment prescribed. Unfortunately, that’s not always the result. Maybe a doctor doesn’t listen closely to your concerns, or you don’t quite know how to describe your pain. Or, despite feeling certain that something is wrong with your knee, tests turn up nothing. A new algorithm shows promise in reducing these types of frustrating interactions. In a new paper published in Nature, researchers trained an algorithm to identify factors often missed by x-ray technicians and doctors. They suggest it could lead to more satisfying diagnoses for patients of color. Dr. Ziad Obermeyer, associate professor of Health Policy and Management at the University of California, Berkley joins Ira to describe how the algorithm works, and to explain the research being done at the intersection of machine learning and healthcare.   Ever Wonder Why Big Cereal Chunks Are Always On Top? You may not have heard of it, but you’ve probably seen the “brazil nut effect” in action—it’s the name for the phenomenon that brings larger nuts or cereal chunks to the top of a container, leaving tinier portions at the bottom of the mix. But the process by which granular materials mix is weirdly hard to study, because it’s difficult to see what’s going on away from the visible surfaces of a container. In recent work published in the journal Scientific Reports, researchers turn the power of three-dimensional time-lapse x-ray computer tomography onto the problem. By using a series of CT scans on a mixed box of nuts as it sorted itself by size, the researchers were able to capture a movie of the process—finally showing how the large Brazil nuts turn as they are forced up to the top of the mix by smaller peanuts percolating downwards. Parmesh Gajjar, a research associate in the Henry Moseley X-ray Imaging Facility at the University of Manchester, talks with SciFri’s Charles Bergquist about the imaging study, and the importance of size segregation in mixing of materials—with applications from the formation of avalanches to designing drug delivery systems.   This Alaskan Glacier Is Moving 100 Times Faster Than Usual One of the glaciers on Alaska’s Denali mountain has started to “surge.” The Muldrow Glacier is moving 10-100 times faster than usual, which is about three feet per hour. About 1% of glaciers “surge,” which are short periods where glaciers advance quickly. Geologist Chad Hults has been on the glacier to study it during this surge period. He talks about how the glacier’s geometry and hydrology contribute to this surge period.

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0:00.0

This is Science Friday. I'm Irafledo. A bit later in the hour, we'll be talking about an AI algorithm studying pain and a story that may drive you to nuts. But first, last week, we anticipated the impending green light for use of the Pfizer-COVID vaccine in adolescence. That approval came through this week, and people aged 12 to 15

0:23.6

can now get the vaccine. This week, the CDC changed its guidance on the coronavirus somewhat,

0:30.0

officially acknowledging what many people have been taking for granted. The airborne nature

0:34.9

of the virus is spread.

0:43.9

And the CDC said that fully vaccinated people might be able to go mask-free in many situations.

0:49.6

In fact, CDC head Rochelle Wollenski spoke at a White House briefing yesterday.

1:00.6

Anyone who is fully vaccinated can participate in indoor and outdoor activities large or small without wearing a mask or physical distancing.

1:07.8

If you are fully vaccinated, you can start doing the things that you had stopped doing because of the pandemic.

1:12.9

Here to talk about that and other short subjects in science is Sarah Zang,

1:20.6

staff writer for the Atlantic. Hi, Sarah. Hi, Ira. Thanks for having me. So the big COVID news this week for many people is probably this guidance that masks might not be necessary for fully vaccinated people. Help us unpack that a bit.

1:31.2

So the CDC says that if you're vaccinated, you don't have to wear a mask indoors.

1:35.7

Though there are a couple exceptions. The couple exceptions are doctors' offices and public

1:40.3

transportation, because these are places where your risk of exposure might just be higher.

1:44.5

From the biology itself, this makes a lot of sense. We know right now that if you are vaccinated,

1:49.7

you're very unlikely to get sick. If you do get sick, you're very unlikely to get seriously sick.

1:53.7

So it is quite clear that if you're vaccinated, the risk to yourself is just very, very low at this point.

2:00.0

I think where the remaining questions are and where people might, you know, still have some hesitations, is that a lot of parents, their kids might still not be vaccinated or if they're young, they might not be vaccinated for a long time. So I think one thing to think about this is the floor, right? Like cities and local governments and even individual stores might have still have mask

2:17.8

guidances and you know we'll still have to follow this. I guess there might be a lot of trust

2:22.4

involved here because the challenge is that now you won't know if someone is in fact

2:27.7

vaccinated or just refusing to wear a mask. Yeah that's right and I think that's what, you know, still have unvaccinated people in their lives are worried about, right? The risk is certainly not zero just because even in very small cases, you can be vaccinated and still perhaps get it asymptomatically. But it does still reduce the risk a lot. And, of course, if you're still worried, feel free to keep wearing a mask.

2:52.0

Of course. And in other COVID news, a Committee of the World Health Organization issued a report on what went wrong last year in the early stages of a global response to the disease.

3:04.6

And it called February 2020, quote, a lost month. Tell us why that is.

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