Hey everybody, it's Martha McCallum, and this is the untold story.

And what an untold story this has been.

I think everybody across the country, your heart just breaks for Savannah Guthrie and her

family, as they are now in week two of this absolute nightmare, as Savannah put it herself,

of her missing mother, Nancy Guthrie from her home in Tucson, Arizona, 84 years old.

So this podcast will become available on Wednesday. I'm speaking to you on Tuesday

late afternoon just before we do our show. So just keep that in mind. But I wanted to bring back a

guest that we had with us yesterday, Wayne Black. And Wayne Black has a lot of experience with kidnapping investigations. He advises

families. He coordinates with law enforcement. He worked for the former secretary of defense,

Donald Rumsfeld, and has done a lot of consulting with families and police forces and law

enforcement on these kinds of similar

cases. He worked on the Tiffany Sessions case, which was a kidnapping of a University of Florida

student who was never found in that particular situation. So he worked with Donald Rumsfeld,

as I said, for a decade, traveling all over the world and protected that individual and has given a lot of great advice to others.

So without further ado, I just wanted to make sure you understood the extensive background of the person that I'm speaking to.

Wayne Black, welcome.

Very good to have you with us today, sir.

Thanks, Martha. Happy to be here.

So, Wayne, we've all just kind of been going over every frame as we look at these images that were just released today by

Director Patel at the FBI of a man on the front steps, appears to be a man on the front steps of Nancy Guthrie's home and trying to obscure the

nest camera on the front steps there. I think everybody who's listening to this has probably

taken a pretty good look at these videos and these photos. So your reaction to what we're seeing

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